Join host Jeff King on the Into the Deep podcast, featuring weekly stories from persecuted believers who have suffered for Christ.

This Week's Episode

Episode 39: Control. Control. Control. 

After a revival in the 90s, the Church in Algeria exploded. Now a new president and a new constitution have raised some red flags for Christians in the country. Churches have been shutting down since late 2019 and they aren’t reopening. The government is trying to gain complete control of the Church. In his interview with two leading Algerian pastors, Jeff King unpacks what exactly is going on with religious freedom in Algeria.

Into the Deep contains interviews and stories about the persecution of Christians around the world.

Featured Guests and Speakers

Francis Chan
Maryam and Marziyeh
Pastor Greg Zetts
Dan Baumann
Hormoz Shariat

Past Episodes

Episode 1: I Am Jesus, Whom You Are Persecuting
Jeff King interviews Pastor Greg Zetts, a former alcoholic saved by the Lord, who recounts the beginning of his whirlwind, Kingdom-centered life as a visionary pastor and missionary.
Episode 2: The Persecuted and Us

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Pastor Greg Zetts, Zetts remembers a harrowing encounter with secret police in Vietnam, where he experiences a brief moment of what the persecuted experience every day. Zetts encourages believers to follow in the footsteps of the persecuted by building their lives on an eternal foundation.

Episode 3: Iran's Explosive Underground Church

Jeff King interviews Dr. Hormoz Shariat, founder of Iran Alive Ministries: a church-planting organization that uses media (satellite broadcast, radio, and social media) to start, support, lead, and multiply the underground church networks in Iran. Dr. Shariat talks about the amazing spiritual revival that is sweeping through Iran as the church explodes, becoming a force for change.

Episode 4: My Heart Stayed in Morocco

Jeff King interviews famous televangelist to the Middle East, Brother Rachid, who left his hard-line Muslim community after converting to Christianity in Morocco, joined the underground church, and eventually started his own Christian T.V. show.

Episode 5: Change is Coming

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with famous televangelist Brother Rachid, they discuss the colossal failure of Islam in so many regions. Brother Rachid explains what the Lord is doing in Algeria, Egypt, Morocco and Iraq and as well as how He is using satellite T.V. in the Middle East to call people to His greater purpose.

Episode 6: The Greatest Threat to North Korea

Jeff King interviews North Korea expert Suzanne Scholte, who delves into the origin of the spiritual warfare waging in North Korea, explaining how Christianity became the greatest threat to the foundation of the Kim dynasty. Stay tuned for part two next week, as Suzanne explains how information, care, and love is shining through the cracks in the regime from her own Free North Korea Radio.

Episode 7: The Lord's Bride

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Suzanne Scholte, they discuss both the spiritual and cultural impact of the changes happening in North Korea and how North Korea is the Lord’s bride, held captive by the Kim regime.

Episode 8: Imprisoned in Iran

Jeff King interviews Dan Baumann, an American believer who was imprisoned for his faith in Iran. Though he endured horrible conditions and terrible treatment while in prison, an experience with a guard sent to torture him led him to a revelation about God’s love.

Episode 9: Two Death Sentences

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Dan Baumann, Dan describes what it was like to have two death sentences hanging over his head: one for being a follower of Jesus and one for being an American.

Episode 10: Why We Serve the Persecuted

Jeff King shares God’s powerful message to him about the persecuted church which ultimately ushered him into a decade-long journey in persecution ministry.

Episode 11: A Voice for the Voiceless

Jeff King interviews George Thomas, CBN News’ senior international correspondent and co-anchor, who has traveled to the darkest parts of the world to cover the growth of the church. He shares his insights into the theology of suffering and the purposeful calling of Christianity.

Episode 12: Bringing the Gospel to America

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with CBN international correspondent George Thomas, George shares a surprising realization about the spiritual burden for America that God has placed on the hearts of the persecuted church.

Episode 13: The Backpack Bible Smugglers

Two Girls. Two Backpacks. Twenty Thousand Bibles. For years, Maryam and Marziyeh operated an underground Bible smuggling ministry in Iran, determined to share the gospel with a nation hungry for the truth about Jesus.

Episode 14: Freedom in Prison

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Maryam and Marziyeh, they share about their experience in Evin Prison, known as the “Torture Factory” of Iran, where they continued their evangelism ministry.

Episode 15: One Body

Francis Chan recently left America to begin his new ministry in Asia. As a tribute, Jeff King plays a speech that Chan gave in 2017 at an ICC conference where Chan revealed how we, the American church, can walk alongside our suffering brothers and sisters in Christ.

Episode 16: Imprisoned by the Taliban

In part two of Francis Chan’s speech at ICC’s Bridge Conference in 2017, he shares about an encounter that he had with a former captive of the Taliban in Afghanistan, a missionary who laid everything on the line for Christ.

Episode 17: Ready to Die for Christ

Christian author and leader Tom Doyle shares his life-changing experience as a missionary to the Middle East. With no experience or official training, Tom and his wife left for the Middle East with nothing but love for the people they would reach.

Episode 18: Dreams and Visions

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Tom Doyle, Tom shares about his project “I Found the Truth”, a groundbreaking video series about Muslims who discovered Jesus through dreams or other unconventional ways. Through this series, he hopes to provide Muslims around the world a safe space where they can learn more about Jesus.

Episode 19: Opening the 10/40 Window

In part three of Jeff King’s interview with Tom Doyle, he gives an inside look into the secret life of Muslim Background Believers (MBBs) around the world today and the dangers that they face after converting to Christianity.

Episode 20: Naming the Perpetrator

Jeff King interviews former congressman and human rights champion Frank Wolf about the current state of religious freedom across the globe. Wolf shares his insight into what he believes to be one of the worst-ranking countries for religious freedom: China.

Episode 21: The Sound of Silence

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with former congressman Frank Wolf, Wolf shares his insights into the dwindling Christian population in Iraq and argues why Christians in the West have an obligation to speak out for their oppressed brothers and sisters.

Episode 22: When the World Hates You

Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, estimates that two Christians die for their faith every 10 minutes. Jeff King shares his thoughts on Warren’s candid message to the Western church from ICC’s Bridge Conference in 2017.

Episode 23: Ambassador Sam Brownback

Jeff King interviews Ambassador Sam Brownback, who works to advance religious freedom all around the world in his position. Ambassador Brownback discusses the foundational importance of religious freedom for all other rights and the oppression of religious freedom in China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and other countries.

Episode 24: Ambassador Sam Brownback

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Ambassador Brownback, the Ambassador at Large for Religious Freedom discusses measures that the US could take to make a difference in the ongoing plight for Christians in Nigeria’s Middle Belt.

Episode 25: Ben Rogers

Jeff King interviews Hong Kong expert Ben Rogers to discuss China’s new and expanding control apparatus under Xi Jinping’s power, which has not only affected Chinese Christians, but also Muslim Uighurs and Hong Kongers.

Episode 26: Ben Rogers

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Benedict Rogers, Ben traces the development of Hong Kong’s push for autonomy from China in light of Beijing’s recent crackdown on Hong Kong,

Episode 27: Assassination Attempts, Church Closures, and Hagia Sophia (Secret Turkey Pastor)

In light of Turkey’s recent decision to convert one of the country’s oldest, most famous churches into a mosque, Jeff King dusts off an old interview with a secret pastor in Turkey, who shared about his own legal battles to save his church. The pastor faced multiple assassination attempts, and his own daughter was beaten to the point of unconsciousness at one point.

Episode 28: Scars on their Arms (JoAnn Doyle)

Jeff King interviews JoAnn Doyle, leader of Not Forgotten – Uncharted Ministries, who discusses what it’s like to be a Muslim woman, confined to a religion that does not value them. She has seen first-hand the physical and mental abuse that many Muslim women have endured over the years. She also shares how her ministry is able to minster to Muslim women, and how it seeks to show the church in the West how to engage and love Muslims in their own communities.

Episode 29: A New Mao (Olivia Enos)

Jeff King interviews Heritage analyst Olivia Enos about China’s Orwellian attempts to stifle religious activity, crush Hong Kong’s autonomy, and expand control into other countries.

Episode 30: China's Social Credit System (Olivia Enos)

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Heritage analyst Olivia Enos, the two dig into China’s social credit system, which is being used to manipulate and control every aspect of society—from who you talk to, to where you go. When combined with China’s agenda to suppress religion, this powerful tool turns into a weapon of the state.

Episode 31: Fleeing Hong Kong (Pastor Jacob*)

Hong Kongers are losing the fight for freedom. Jeff King interviews Pastor Jacob*, who fled Hong Kong over safety concerns after China announced the introduction of the National Security Law. He shares his concerns for the church in Hong Kong and the Christians there who have flourished for years under Hong Kong’s democratic government.

*Name changed for security

Episode 32: Crushing the Pearl of the Orient (Pastor Jacob*)

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Pastor Jacob*, a religious refugee from Hong Kong, they discuss China’s recent takeover of Hong Kong to save face following a wave of protests, potentially taking a massive financial hit. China’s recent actions reveal just how far President Xi and the Chinese Communist Party will go to maintain control, and Hong Kong isn’t the only country standing in their way.

*Name changed for security

Episode 33: The Price of Paradise

Jeff King interviews Charles Mudasir, a persecution survivor who grew up in a Jihadist culture and suffered extreme persecution at the hands of his own father after converting to Christianity. Miraculously, he survived to share his story.


Episode 34: Crossing the Line

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Charles Mudasir, Charles shares about the realization that made him turn from Islam to Christianity and how he miraculously escaped numerous attempts on his life afterward.

Episode 35: Exposing Buhari

Jeff King interviews Sunday Abdu, a former legislator with the Plateau State House of Assembly. His ethnic group, the IRIGWE tribe, which is predominantly Christian, has been devastated by Muslim Fulani militant attacks. In this episode, Sunday exposes Nigeria’s president, unmasking the situation in Nigeria.

Episode 36: Infiltrating the Government

In part two of Jeff King’s interview with Sunday Abdu, a former legislator with the Plateau State House of Assembly in Nigeria, more governmental and social injustices are brought to light. Tensions are rising between religious groups as Christians continue to live under attack.

Episode 37: A Waking Nightmare

A year ago, 14-year-old Huma was abducted from her home in Pakistan and forced to marry her captor and convert to Islam. Her parents haven’t seen her since. They know who the abductor is and have gone to the police, but the Pakistani justice system hasn’t brought her home. In part one, Jeff King dives into the case of Huma with interviews from Huma’s mother and and Will Stark, South Asia religious freedom expert.

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Episode 38: The Name and Shame Game

In part two of his interview with William Stark and Huma’s mother, Jeff King investigates the broader issue on Christian teenage girl abductions in Pakistan. Though the country has the right laws in the books, Sharia Law often overrules justice. Jeff and William analyze the Pakistani judicial system that is preventing Huma’s safe return to her parents.

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Episode 39: Control. Control. Control.

After a revival in the 90s, the Church in Algeria exploded. Now a new president and a new constitution have raised some red flags for Christians in the country. Churches have been shutting down since late 2019 and they aren’t reopening. The government is trying to gain complete control of the Church. In his interview with two leading Algerian pastors, Jeff King unpacks what exactly is going on with religious freedom in Algeria.