“ISIS is the evangelist. I am the baptizer.”

06/26/2020 Washington D.C. (International Christian Concern)While watching the news, it’s easy to get a skewed view of the world’s Muslim community.

However, we know that the Lord is always working behind the scene, drawing the lost closer to Him. Despite the damage that radical Islamist groups have caused around the world, they have also exposed the reality of Islam, leaving many Muslims searching for more.

Now, the Gospel is spreading among the world’s Muslim community like never before. Like one pastor in the Middle East concluded, “ISIS is the evangelist. I am the baptizer.”

To listen to the full podcast episode with Tom Doyle, please visit: https://www.persecution.org/icc-podcast/#17.

Transcript:

Jeff King:

Recently, I sat down with Tom Doyle for a podcast interview. Tom is a Christian author, and he’s written several books. They’re great books, and they’re all kind of persecution related. So I hadn’t met Tom before. When I sit down for the interview, we really hit it off. And I felt like I’d found a fellow traveler. Because we both had a similar calling to ministry. We’ve been doing something completely different, and then God just had to stop that and called us into ministry overseas. So in the clip, I’m going to show you, we’re going to be camped out talking about Muslims and Muslims in the States. How do we reach them? Muslims overseas in the Middle East, what’s going on in the Middle East? And that’s even the big one because God is doing something really special there. There’s Just a move of God that’s historic. And so I think you’re going to enjoy. I’ll be back after the clip to share a few things. In the West, how should we view Muslims? I talk about this a lot.

Tom Doyle:

Well, you know what? I think in our mind, as Americans… Well, first of all, and I could be guilty of this is anyone I know. I think in America, it’s easy to worship the gods of comfort and safety. I think they’re the two twin idols. Jeff, every time we go to the Middle East, maybe on a Bible tour, when we stay in great hotels in Jerusalem, five-star, people will always say, this, “Is it safe? Are you going to be safe?” And I say, “Is it safe in Chicago? And they had 600 murders last year. New York City, we can’t guarantee safety anywhere.” So my standard answer is, “Hey, listen, I do get nervous about going to the Middle East, but once I get out of the New York airport, I feel great.” Just my smart alec way of saying, “Hey, you’re in danger here.” And so I think because of what the news shows the narrative out there, and there is danger, there is terrorist groups, yes. But I think that’s an issue that Americans… It’s comfort and safety.

Tom Doyle:

So looking at a Muslim, maybe they’re in Walmart and they see a woman that’s covered with her husband, there may be images of 9/11 or terrorist attacks. And that’s the only thing they can link to because they haven’t met another Muslim. And in studies we’ve read and seen that they say that 60% of Muslims worldwide are not even practicing their religion. They just were born into it. They’re Muslim. And 30% practice. And they don’t believe jihad is the way. That’s not their goal. So if they move in next door, we always say this, “Don’t call the police. Go over and meet them. They’ll probably be some of the best neighbors ever.”

Tom Doyle:

And then there is the radical edge, maybe 8 to 10 percent believes that jihad is the way. But even that, if they all practice it, that would be like 150 million Muslims doing it. We’d be World War III, so maybe that thought is there. But it’s not what you think. And we found good-hearted Muslims. And here’s what we found. 9/11 was a terrible thing. But God was always uses things for His glory. That made every Muslim worldwide… Because they all knew about it, I mean, we’ve been in villages in Afghanistan and Egypt. They don’t even have TV. They knew about 9/11. They asked us about it through an interpreter. And they had asked themselves this, does that mean to be a good Muslim, I have to go out and kill people?

Tom Doyle:

And the majority, that’s not what their goal in life is. And so you’re probably not going to encounter that in America. They’re thankful to be out of the Syrian war, moving here from Damascus or whatever. And so here’s what I think has happened. I think this is a Satanic counterfeit because the Devil knows this. He knows this, as Anne Graham Lotz says, “There’s plenty of room in Heaven.” The most open people group on the planet right now are Muslims, bar none.

Jeff King:

That’s right.

Tom Doyle:

And if you don’t know that you might be scratching your head like, “What?”

Jeff King:

That’s right. We’ll get into that. Yeah.

Tom Doyle:

Because you’re probably getting your worldview from the news. And that’s all you can see. More Muslims have come to faith in Christ in the last decade than in the last 1,400 years. So this is a revolution, 10 years, 1400 years of Islam. Jeff, it’s like God’s running a special on them. They’re open, they’re frustrated. We just saw a picture of a woman, you talk in America, we talk about the nones, and they’re no religion no nothing, I’m nothing, whatever, or maybe some will say I’m spiritual, whatever that means. Do you know that there’s massive fallout of young people in Islam that are saying, “I’m an atheist. That’s it. I’m done. Can’t be Jewish, don’t believe Christianity.” They haven’t checked it out. “I’m nothing. I’m atheist.” And do you know we just saw a picture of a woman that was in Mecca when people were there right by the Kaaba Stone. And she held up a piece of paper, “I’m an atheist.”

Jeff King:

Wow.

Tom Doyle:

Now, you talk about gutsy, doing that. If that was seen, there is no court case for that, there’s no arrest, she is dragged off, she’s beheaded for that right there in Mecca. They have an executioner onsite ready to go at all times. That’s the frustration. That’s it. Finished. It’s over. And so Jesus comes in and he’s no religion. He’s relationship with God. He’s an avenue to the Father. And this is attractive to them. So I think, with all the dreams, and people getting online and finding Christ, this is the harvest. This is the golden age of reaching Muslims.

Tom Doyle:

Turn off the news. We shouldn’t get our worldview from that. We’ve got to get it from the Bible. And Jesus said, “Upon this rock, I will build my church, and the Gates of Hell, not going to stop it,” like cellophane, like Kleenex, the church is going to just ram right through. So there are many believers in Saudi Arabia, in Iran, in places like Gaza, and that we would say are the worst places to be a believer. But boy, when you’re with them in the underground church, that is some of the sweetest fellowship you’ve ever had. That is really the best place to be.

Jeff King:

That’s right. Yeah. I was sitting with a pastor of the biggest church in the Middle East. You’ll know who that is.

Tom Doyle:

Yeah. Sure.

Jeff King:

And I was asking him, this was the height of ISIS, and I was like, “Gosh, what is the effect of ISIS?” And he said, “ISIS is the evangelist. I am the baptizer.”

Tom Doyle:

Amen. Amen. Amen.

Jeff King:

I talked to former radicals, and they said the deeper I got into Islam, the worse of a human being I became. And you might think, if you’re listening to that and you don’t understand Islam, you think, Oh my gosh, what a bigot. I’m not saying that. I’m repeating what he said, because you become more radical. And what happens is the deeper you go in Islam, you face a fork in the road. And that’s what ISIS represented, as you know, I mean, it was a fork in the road to say, “If that’s Islam, I’m not going there.”

Jeff King:

Hey, I hope that podcast clip encouraged you. I wanted to follow up and give you just a little explanation. There was that story at the end I shared about ISIS being the evangelist. And Tom was like, “Yes. Exactly.” And so all that was a little bit in code, and a lot of people probably missed what that meant. But I had been speaking with a pastor in the Middle East at the height of ISIS when they had killed so many brutally and driven hundreds of thousands of Christians off their land. So I asked this Middle Eastern pastor, “What’s the effect of ISIS in the church?” And he said, “Look, ISIS is the evangelist.” And he said, “I’m the baptizer.” What he was saying is that “Look, a lot of Muslims, they looked at ISIS, and they said, ‘That’s Islam. I don’t want to be any part of it.'”

Jeff King:

So ISIS is saying, “Look, we’re carrying out what’s in the book. We are fundamentalist Islam.” And they said, “My gosh, I didn’t realize that I don’t want any part of that.” And so they turn away, and a lot of them saw Jesus. And think about the contrast of what ISIS was representing and what they saw in Jesus. Jesus is so pure, and he’s so good, he’s so beautiful. And what does the word say? Lift Him up and He will draw all men to himself. And that’s what was happening there. So I hope that clip blessed you. Again, that came from our podcast, and we’ll share the link of how to get to it if you want to listen to the whole thing. So God bless you. Have a great day.

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